huh  in the crack right in the watercourse  i ran it yesterday and looked around and couldn't find it, but maybe i just missed it

unless you get there at the crack of dawn, I'd have to call this hike a disaster tried once in 2016, was overtaken by a group of chattering girl scouts, turned back went earlier just now in 2017, the trail was crowded with struggling people who really had no business being on an unmaintained trail, leading to multiple traffic jams this trail has been overpromoted to people who'd probably be more comfortable wading the first quarter mile of the narrows or walking the riverside path at Zion - I'm sure it's very prett...

Not sure who's completing this loop in 4-6 hrs, but I'd love to meet them, shake their hand and get an autograph  Other sites beta show 6-8 if not longer My partner and I completed this loop in 10hrs on 5/22/17  We're newbies to canyoneering, but are rock climbers and fast hikers The Upper West Fork downcanyon is so narrow less than 2ft across for what feels like a half mile that progress to the rappel was slow  Walking sideways with pack in front or behind  The LDC downclimb to enter UWF was sketch, I thought it w...

Descended Middle Echo on Friday October 20, 2017 Like the old comments from July 2016, the usually semi-keeper was in keeper condition Have descended Echo approximately 6 times over last 14 years and not had any issues with this pothole before On this trip, a partner assist did not work well for us Pothole was a full swimmer and we didn't touch bottom while working on our escape Ultimately, after multiple attempts, we defeated pothole with a pseudo pack toss Getting anything on your toss while treading water is ver...

After the wide crack the first 'piece' is a bolt without the hanger or head The head was replaced by climbing tape Also, to make matters worse it flexed under body weight Not sure this was always the caseI used a nut but if you pull on the wire in the wrong direction plan on taking a really bad fall Additionally, if you are under 5'10" I would say plan on bringing a stick clip for this section I was top stepping on my ladders and barely reached the bolt above This was pretty scary due to the sketchy piece! After t...

Thanks, Ryan, great spot For those who don't like the crack, a short but easy approach: At about mile 30, keep on straight down to the draw instead of up left to the cliff trailhead Pull over at the draw or when the road gets too rough, then hike left / east down the draw to the panels -- also only a 5-10 minute hike

As of 4/27/18 water was knee deep, but for the most part dry I believe on the third rap the webbing had started to get a bit worn out We deemed it good, but it probably doesn't have a ton of uses left Be sure to check it As a group of 6 we didn't do the last two raps hoping to save some time, but in retrospect it was probably sixes In total agreement with MTNGRLMB on the crack climb I wouldn't recommend going without a car shuttle

WARNING about Kelsey exit: it's easy to miss the crack to the right looking up that branches off from the rocky, loose gully You should leave the gully BEFORE getting to the top There's an extra-sandy patch and lots of cairns pointing there We thought we were following the cairns but didn't go all the way out It made for a consequential, exposed climb up to the top on 5/16

Thanks! Yes, we suspected this once we exited Do you happen to know if it's a different crack out of the same gully system, or a different gully system altogether

Just inside the notch is a climbable crack that is much easier to protect than the route in the description It might be slightly more technical we still thought it was 56, but makes for some bomber cam placementsAlso, we didn't bring a knife to the summit, but if anyone does, there is a rat's nest of old webbing on some of the bushes near the top We replaced the webbing for a rap down, but we had no way to cut the old webbing out